MZ Saxon 301 Parking Light

[MartinK]

Chaps

I could do with a bit of help please. It surrounds the grey wires, and parking lights.

A previous owner had made a cut in the parking light (grey) wire as it exits the ignition switch, and wired it direct into the front headlamp pilot light. In turn the pilot light does not connect to anything else! So with "park" on the ignition switch, only the front pilot bulb comes on.

Because this has been disconnected from the rest of the loom, when I put the bike to "run" on the ignition, and then use the parking light switch on the L handlebar, only the REAR light comes on (and the instrument illumination)

So I guess my question is, when the bike has the ignition set to "park" with the parking lights on, does your instruments panel light up as well? I can't see a way where this can be disabled. On mine, if the rear parking light is on, then the instrument panel is also lit. I was going to wire the front parking light into this same circuit (which is what it looks like in the manual's wiring diagram). Is that right?

Cheers

[Puffs]

Hi Martin,

I don't know about parking lights or the Saxon, but have you looked in the manuals? Blurredman's website, miraculis.de, ..

[MartinK]

Yes, Thanks Puffs and David. Managed to fix it. The bike's obviously had ignition issues in the past and someone's tried to fix it. Sadly doing a bad job. All working now. I've also got a new Elec Ignition (suggested by you I thing Puffs?) from Turbo Zabytki, that should be the final fix to get the bike's electrics stable and reliable

[Puffs]

Good you have it sorted now!

No, Kruh came up with that one in viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10432&p=51166#p51167. I haven't bought that set yet, partly because of the adaptor for the magneto that was mentioned (although I cannot see any mention of that on their site).

Can you please let us know how you fare with that set? I'm tempted once again...

[Kruh]

Yes, please do let us know how it goes.
I'm quite interested in how well they are made. Specifically, how centered the magneto is, i.e. how true it runs.

While on the subject, I compared the 2 companies fitting the same exact ignition system - turbo zabytki and audio bas. Just, by taking a look at their pictures, you can tell that audiobas seems to be doing a better job.
If you look at the taper, you can see that they make a costum one-piece taper to replace the original gy6 one. And they are quite beefy; very thick sidewall.
Unlike turbo zabytki, where they have a taper within a taper adapter, which isn't the most ideal solution.

But, those are just opinions, I don't have experience with them personally. So I would really like to hear a first hand experince with that particupar set.


Also, that company (audiobas) offers now a set for etz models.
http://www.wsk.audiobas.pl/sklep/9-zaplony-cdi?page=1

[Kruh]

Just for reference, so you can see exactly what I mean
Turbo zabytki version, with an adapter:





And audiobas with one solid piece:

[MartinK]

Thanks Kruh
I asked both companies for a copy of the install instructions prior to order, and found turbo zabytki to have the better support (in English), be more responsive, and be slightly cheaper.
Having said that, it's still not dispatched, so I have not moved any further yet!
They were on holiday (could be COVID related I guess) until today so I hope i'll get an update

[DAVID THOMPSON]

remember all types of ignition system need good clean power or the little spark is not up to the JOB

and read this guys site
http://www.gofastforless.com/
dave

relay 19 and or 30 on the 4 stroke MZ wire drawing if its going bad it can cause a nightmare of problems

the old 2 smokers have had too many hands working on them to cause a good man nightmares
dave

[Puffs]

The prime advantage of these kind of ignitions is that they do not need a battery for the spark. So if you leave your parking light on overnight, and your battery is flat, the bike still runs. And can then charge the battery.

However, many systems use a relay to switch the ignition off/on; that relay needs some power. In those cases a flat battery can be an issue, and I think I saw such a relay in the pics. Of course a bypass is easily made.

Yesterday I pulled the Polish text from torbozabytki through a computer translation, and I cannot remember having seen any specification of voltage or power output of the generator. I'm sure it'll be 12V (all ETZ's are), and doubtlessly with sufficient power for the normal lights, but a specification would have been nice; maybe you'll find something in the documentation you asked for.

[MartinK]

the old 2 smokers have had too many hands working on them to cause a good man nightmares

That's why I decided to "do it right" and replace it all, new battery and the turbo zabytki system. As far as I can see all instruments/switches/lights are now as MZ intended, and I have them all working.
It was a rat's nest, and improving constantly.

[MartinK]

Puffs - you are right! I just mailed and checked, as it's based on GY6 I assumed 150W.
If there's any doubt in their reply I'll cancel and go with AudioBas. I've attached the wiring diagram for the torbozabytki in case anyone is interested

[Puffs]

On specification, I see Audiobas does specify the voltage. And a few horror stories...

Is that rotor supposed to be so far to the outside?

This one looks decent:

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Edit: I hadn't seen your reply before I posted above - ta.

You guys all say GY6 and to me that rings a bell in connection with Chinese engines. So I looked up that GY6 ignition; maybe this link is helpful to some:https://www.buggydepot.com/tech-center/gy6-150cc-ignition-troubleshooting-guide-no-spark/. This pertains to the 'original' GY6, doubtlessly the Polish sets will be a bit different.

[MartinK]

The Turbozabytki guys came back and said they have shipment delays until the end of the month
This is their video:
https://youtu.be/bEBp_u6XOFs

However I am thinking of cancelling now because of the delays in shipment, and placing the order with Audiobas

[Puffs]

Shipping delays... Out of stock? New batch? Covid?

More comments:
- beware of possible exchange rate losses, if you cancel.
- In that film, the set seems to work fine on the Jawa TS. Maybe a bit high voltage? By comparison, a Vape on a Jawa 634:

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- Audiobas is a bit more expensive, but I believe from them you also get a puller for the flywheel/rotor. At some stage you'll probably need a puller.

[MartinK]

Yes Puffs, they are blaming out-of-stock because of COVID shipping delays on the ray product...
I have not paid yet, they said they would contact me when back in stock