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bsm exhaust can

Postby Exmoor beast » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:49 pm

Hi I am new to this site so please be nice
I see in the forums that BSM end cans are not getting a good report is this just the end can or the pipe work and the end can as i have a baggy and the wife has musthave and they both have BSM cans i see on my baggy that the centre pipe has got very hot and melted the air box to me this would indicate that the end can is not letting the gases out soon enough i do not want to tune the bikes just get the best out of a stock engine :?

p.s this is not a case of his and hers but a case of hers then his (i kept getting a cussing sunday mornings when she got up and found the musthave gone :D )
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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby keithcross » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:02 pm

I have a BSM Future can fitted to my Baghira and while it sounds better then the standard can and of course is lighter, I don't think it has made any difference to the power output from the engine. This isn't a worry to me as the bike is fast enough most of the time for what I want to use it for.
Still its up to you really.
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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby Bill Jurgenson » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:11 am

The BSM can is well enuf made, looks good and is relatively light, and what (in Europe) is most important, it is the only aftermarket can certified for the MZ. But it is technically not very good and gives less hp than the stock unit, at least on the Skorpion but I assume on the Baggi, too. Back pressure is always a problem with big singles. You can remove the DB killer if you aren't afraid of the sheriffs or if that is not a problem in your area. That will improve performance a bit. I would leave the original can if you still have it, tho. At my friend EGU's shop
http://www.egu-motoren.de/
we had a Baggi from a customer to which that customer had added an aftermarket tuning exhaust system. It was cleanly made and fit well enuf but carried no stamping or label. Subjective impression driving was that the bike was toothless and that was one reason why the customer had brought it in. We put it on the hp brake and - no wonder - only 38hp at the rear wheel. So we put on original system back on and - bingo - the hp went back up to the expected 43hp at the rear wheel. Needless to say, driving impression was much better too. Don't forget that the certified 48hp rating is at the clutch, not the rear wheel.
I had my street Skorpion on the brake at EGU's once, too. Nowhere near stock, so the values as such are not important, but it had at that time 58hp at the rear wheel with a BOS can (illegal and 110DB). With the stock L&W can, it had 57hp. All of one hp difference, but the stock can was legal. There was a big difference in midrange, tho, with the BOS delivering 44hp instead of 39 at 4000rpm. That makes a big difference in street driving and that difference comes from the much higher back pressure of the stock unit. The out of the box new BSM had a full 4hp less top end. And that with measured 106DB!
I personally use a Remus GP can of which I have two, a refraction can with certification stamp and which is really pretty quiet. This one is for vehicle inspection. The backpressure is so high, tho, that it is very difficult to impossible to get the carbs right. Then I have another Remus which has the same number and looks exactly the same but is an absorber, i.e. straight thru with DB killer. THis one is much louder, but the carbs are easy to adjust. This is the one I actually use, once having gotten the inspection stamp.
In general, it is hard to beat original systems within the confines of legality. This should come ad no wonder since great expense went into their development. They are targeted exactly at the the best possible compromise of performance and immissions at the stipulated RPM for the official vehicle certification. The fact that the L&W system for the Skorpion has only one hp less top end than a completely open racing can shows how much effort went into configuring the can to be quiet at the 4000 RPM where the immissions are measured without killing the top end.
Aftermarket systems are almost always inferior (notable except SR Racing) - or so much louder, that there can be no question of using them on the road. This is not restricted to the XTZ engine at all. It is the case with all brands marketing singles and twins, i.e. engines with big cylinder displacements as opposed to engine displacements. 4-cylinders are so much easier to handle.
All that said, I run a BSM on the competely stock Yamaha SZR, too.
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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby keithcross » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:33 am

Bill

For you info I put my Baggi inot a dyno shop for checking with the BSM fitted. Result was just over 46BHP at the rear wheel. Bot sure what it was before hand, but the bike didnt appear to loose any power when I changed the can.

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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby Exmoor beast » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:24 pm

hi guys thankyou for the info i have one stock can i might try that for a week and see what i think i have had two xtz over the years but they where on stock cans. both the musthave and the baggi came with the bsm's ,baggi seams ok but the musthave lacks a littel power might tweek the carb and see what happens . nice to see a good site for the mz tankyou
p.s keep it smooth keep it clean and blow it away :twisted:
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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby hb7 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:01 pm

All I can add is that the M4 for Baghira also burns a hole in the airbox...
So it's not just a BSM problem.....
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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby Garf » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:14 am

I have a G-force can fitted to my Baggy and the link pipe also started to melt the airbox. On my bike, I was able to carefully re-fit the link pipe and can using a small spacer on the can hanger, about 5mm, which was enough to clear the airbox. I have had no further problems with melting. Might be worth re-fitting your system.
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Re: bsm exhaust can

Postby Whysub » Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:34 pm

I have a Carbon Can Co end can and link pipe on my Baggi. Never melted the airbox, but done for th rear number (licence) plate

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